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gillian

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2010-09-21 17-01-11

Dirty laundry, hmmm?? We all know that as you begin to work for a company, and the time goes by, little bits of their dirty laundry come out for your knowledge. That's ok, I understand that some places are strict about dress code, or arriving a minute late causes management unrest, or they don't really have that great of health insurance, or they really do prefer girls with big boobs to be waitresses, etc etc etc. I've been looking at jobvent.com and learning a bit about the company that I'm excited to hear back from. I'm disappointed by the writing level of almost all the employees that vented, so I take their 'advice' with a grain of salt. The trend of complaints is consistent though: you get fired if you don't sell enough product. But I have a different issue: Its been 4 years since I have worked with anyone without a degree (or pursuing a degree). Its sounds really awful, but is there a different style of management between the intelligent and the not-so-intelligent? I did work in a factory for a few summer breaks (and absolutely hated most of my supervisors) but i pulled through, even though I thought their management system was less than stellar. I don't want to turn into those bosses- micro-managing and mean but I also fear that is what some folks may need as their only guidance to get the job done. Gah! I don't have the stupid job yet, and I'm worried about how to be good at it. :-P Waiting stinks kangaroo kahonies.
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Frederique

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2010-09-23 19-33-26

Just so I have it straight..... According to you, not having or pursuing a degree makes one "not so intelligent"?
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  • tina

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    2010-10-11 21-03-55

    No, not at all I've met lots of people who were pursuing a degree that were complete morons and others who didn't have the opportunity to go to school who were quite intelligent. I was saying that because I worked at the university that I attended, almost everyone I interacted with was more or less smart (most of my clients had MFA's or PHD's). I am concerned about some of the people that seem to be regularly hired at this store because of the writing level they exhibited.
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    Mkt

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    2010-10-12 17-02-59

    You'd be better off (and maybe feel more comfortable) blaming the public schools K-12 than whether or not a high school graduate attended university. In the last 25 years, basic things simply aren't being taught that prepare the high school graduate for the real world, and as they enter college, the reality is that those college courses are no longer as challenging, as the universities have had to cater to a lower level of learning amongst its entrants in order to retain enrollment. Kids who graduate with a 4-year degree now would struggle to keep up with a few of my high school classes.
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  • Sybil

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    2010-10-16 7-55-29-

    Oh I believe it I am appalled at the breakdown of language within our society (as well as appalled by the breakdown of the moral fiber, but that's a different conversation). I had one colleague that I was quite certain should have been out of the program within the first two weeks of his first year, but somehow he managed to pull through. he was a prime example of the university not being tough enough in standards. I had one fantastic professor though, Arthur Pontynen, who changed my college career entirely. He pointed out the inherent flaws of teaching action, but not teaching responsibility. Look up his book, "For the Love of Beauty". Currently I'm reading "Evil in Modern Thought", an interesting text on how the definition of evil has changed from that which is not true and goo to a person's action which is unforgivable. You may be interested in it.
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    Natassja

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    2010-10-22 0-58-41-

    But I love books about the philosophy and theories of Goo! ; p
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    ascencio

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    2010-12-20 7-31-14-

    Couldn't live without goo! As a teacher, do you discuss the implecations of popular music in your classroom? This was a hot topic for Pontynen- we discussed why classical music is better than current music for various reasons. Classical music is melodic, and follows the rules and restrictions of melody, whereas current music is concerned with the "beat" which represents the musicians will and follows few rules and restrictions. But I digress, it would be interesting to discuss with youth the effects popular music has on their intellect. Lyrics like "solja boy" are assisting the breakdown of our language, essentially making us less able to express. A discussion about current music and language and comparing it to the book 1984 and the reduction of language with in their society.... well, it would be interesting to see what youth think of it.
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  • telles

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    2011-01-03 6-04-19-

    I'm almost afraid to go there. The breakdown in education is a hot button for me, and I'm almost afraid I'll get caught up in the political process. I was never one of those who could volunteer for the PTA. I'd end up on every committee. LOL! No time! No time! No time! Friend of mine (a psychologist) was on the Missouri (whatever the official name was) committee responsible for "dumbing down" the MAPP tests in order to retain public funding. Morally, he felt it a conflict and resigned from the board.
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    brin

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    2011-03-01 9-05-24-

    It is what it is. A few years ago I audited a creative writing course at one of the local universities, for fun. I was 25 years older than everyone else in the class. Not only was I the only one to show up every week, on time, with my book, my assignments done, I was the only one to have read the whole book including the unassigned parts. I went to the instructor about 7 weeks into the 8-week course, to discuss the issue. He explained to me that as a 100-level teacher, it was his job to please and pass as many students as possible in order to retain enrollment. He would have given anything for quicker tenure, in order to be teaching the Juniors instead (who by that time knew they wanted to be there, learning). He said his biggest challenge was getting the kids to understand abstract concepts. He drew a 3'd picture of a road bordered by fence posts, going off into the distance. He said many kids today will look at that, notice a dissimilarity in the sizes and space between the posts, and NOT see the depth at all. I almost lost my dinner, hearing that. Because THAT's who's out behind the wheels of cars, with brand new licenses and a feeling of invincability.
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    kampen

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    2011-03-08 10-38-38

    Hmm been there I've worked for both sides of the fence. You it "intelligent and the not-so-intelligent" Less intelligent management is more abusive, un-organized, and down right rude. The more 'intelligent' manager is more cunning, more likely to stab you in the back. And the same with working with these folks, they would do anything to make you look bad, (hence, they would look good) step on you as they thought they were 'climbing up' the ladder of success. The folks I worked with in 'blue collar jobs' made me feel wanted, treated me fairly, most of the time, and were'nt looking to 'climb' over you!
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  • kamps

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    2011-03-21 10-02-16

    the people that I worked with in the factory were great people. I agree, they would never step on someone to get to something they were looking for. However, I've noticed that blue-collar managers and white collar-managers manage differently. The blue-collar-job managers I had were over bearing and just plain mean. My white collar manager was lenient, kind, and if I screwed up would intelligently consider how we could resolve the issue with out getting up in arms. I'm curious to know if the difference is because of the people they manage (is it important to be a mean and micro-managing supervisor for blue collar workers?) or is it just a coincidence that their management systems were night and day? Or, perhaps the stress of being a blue-collar manager makes a person jumpy and therefore mean...? I don't know.
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  • kropp

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    2011-04-09 9-29-02-

    How old are you? Like 25?
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  • gullikson

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    2011-04-20 4-00-07-

    Right on the money
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  • tabares

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    2011-04-20 20-03-26

    Imagine that.....
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    lemmond

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    2011-04-23 10-59-58

    Thank you for reminding me of my youth I really am blessed to have the majority of my life ahead of me, and I intend to go forth with an informed approach. Thank you for your well-thought-out input.
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    yael

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    2011-05-07 13-11-24

    Thank you for being better than us on all levels.
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    hogarth

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    2011-05-25 4-35-40-

    Dear Sir I try my best to be humble but I cannot be uninformed. Education and self-betterment is one of my passions, and I regularly ask the advice of forums so that I may have the input of those who have tread before me. I apologize if my questions have bothered you, please feel free to overlook them and continue to the next post.
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    2011-06-01 22-59-41

    Snicker
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    manternach

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    2011-06-09 15-18-03

    WOW...talk about generalizing! That is like saying NO blue collar worker has a degree. Or NO blue collar worker knows how to manage. Well I'll tell you something I've had managers that were damn good at managing people - they were compassionate when necessary but tough as nails when needed. The two that I really remember very fondly were not college educated - they moved up through the ranks to get to where they were. And by the way one was male and one female. But the one manager that had absolutly no clue about people or how anything or anyone worked had several degrees. He was terrible!! I learned later that the office he had worked in prior to coming to work where I did actually had a party when he left - after he left!!! They were overjoyed. He is one of the few people in my life that I can honestly say I hate. He is and always will be a horrible person. But...he has the degree(s) so I guess I must be wrong according to what you have to say. And by the way none of the above took place in a factory setting - it was all within the insurance industry. I would say that you probably do yourself an injustice by generalizing so dang much. Sorry...guess you just hit a sore point with me!
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    saniyya

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    2011-07-30 19-53-08

    Oh geez, I wasn't going for blue collar = uneducated, sorry sorry! In fact, one of the blue collar managers I had in the factory was pursuing her bachelors degree and I couldn't stand her. Its hard to divide people into two groups... see, what I'm trying to get at is- there are smart people (thos who can fix their own problems, who can trouble shoot and manage their own time), be them educated or un-educated, and then there are really not-smart people (who cannot or refuse to learn). And then there is all sorts of gray in between. My fear, based on the writing level of the complaints on job vent, is that I may have to learn how to manage people who cannot solve problems on their own or who need extra restrictions. It was just an observation I made that the factory managers I had seemed to be more overbearing, and the office managers I've had were more lenient.
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  • stepanski

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    2011-08-07 19-58-54

    Maybe something else to think about is this You are going to a website in which apparently people vent about their jobs. I'm assuming that it is similar to this where people do not use their real names. Take a look through any part of any of the forums and you will note that many people do not use very good grammar or spelling while on the forums. Many actually do know better but they are typing fast or thinking faster than their fingers type or perhaps they really don't care how they come off. In fact there are many posts that really put those people down because of how they come off sounding. Some of those people come back sounding much different when they realize that they did, in fact, come of sounding pretty bad. Venting on the internet is totally different than what you see in the real world - as far as writing goes. But again guess it is up to you to decide if you want to take that job or not.
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  • betsy

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    2011-08-11 1-29-47-

    Oh, I understand that the veil of the internet can help grammar and spelling slip- I've done it like everyone else. I guess I just don't want to screw up... and I'm trying to find out what the best way to manage people is because is fairly new territory for me.
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    baber

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    2011-08-23 5-43-26-

    It's hard to categorize 'less/more intelligence' with blue collar vs white collar. They both have intelligent people involved. Some are educated, some are not. I'm only speaking of "MY" experience. I found the 'professional' side to be more cunning, more likely to get under me skin, rather than 'in my face'. They are more likely to be 'unsatisfied' with their position! Education had little to do with it. It was the environment. I've working for/with some with PhD, or Masters degree etc, they were some of the most thank full people I met. They were also astounded by some of the work I did with the little education I do have, (I don't have a HIGHER degree).
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