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huberto

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2010-09-21 16-05-36

Should I have lied? HR person: Hi, Mr. John Doe? I've reviewed your resume, and I'd love to have you in for an interview! Me: Sounds great! (Mid-way through interview) HR person: Wow, you're great! So, do you have experience with Program XYZ?? Me: Only a little, but I have experience with Program ZYX, which from what I understand is very much like XYZ. HR person: Oh. We really want someone with XYZ experience. Me: Well, I could teach myself XYZ, and quickly, I believe. See, I've taught myself ZYX, ABC, LMNOP, QWERTY, etc, etc, etc. HR person: Hm. But we need someone with XYZ experience. After all, using XYZ is a whopping 5% of what this job will entail!! Me: I can appreciate that. You want someone who can hit the ground running. But given everything else I bring to the table, do you think maybe you could give me the opportunity to learn it? HR person: Hm. Well, thanks for coming in. We'll be in touch. Me: *sigh*
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madonna

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2010-10-02 18-42-05

yes, lie lie like a goddamn five-dollar crack whore it's the only way to get a job now
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  • Efdal

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    2010-10-06 2-30-40-

    always. they ALWAYS ask for crap they never can decide to turn the job down later.
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    carsey

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    2010-10-06 3-21-01-

    It drives me nuts Every single company wants you to come to the interview a fully-formed employee. Knowing every idiosyncratic, 7 year old program they use. Christ, it's like they want you to know the company cheer before you're even hired.
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    trudeau

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    2010-10-09 9-37-18-

    That is a company's ideal- and if they find that perfect fit, good for them. Why settle for less when you don't have to? Employers only have to lower their standards to hire someone who doesn't completely know all the functions of the job if they can't find someone who does. And most of the time for most positions employers can be picky, unless you're someone who has very specialized skills that are in high demand but not many people have.
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  • amaris

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    2010-10-15 14-11-43

    Why settle for less? Read this Because of a number of reasons: 1) Because in many situations, not knowing every little idiosyncracy that a company has gives them a fresh perspective - one that fresh blood gives. 2) Unless you are in a VERY VERY specialized field that requires x, y and z which really REALLY is rare, it is very clear in an interview if someone has the background and the aptitude to do the job, usually this person can do it a lot better than someone who is steeped into it so heavily that they can't see the big picture (this may or may not matter for some companies) 3) How often have you been interviewed by a boss who when you browsed them on LinkedIN discovered that not only did they not come from that industry, they did not even come from that type of role itself? For some reason, the higher you go on the food chain, managers conveniently forget how they were brought on board with these limitations almost like magic - which is usually a BAD thing. 4) ... Sorry HR_Mgr - you're wrong -- especially in your industry. You can't tell me that just because someone served food in fast food does not mean they can't serve food at a restaurant. Or someone who clears tables at an Italian restaurant, can't do it in your facility. The whole myth of "100% fit" is a total complete joke - one that seems to perpetuate the professional unemployed who actually have the knowledge and drive, but are stuck at an impasse... If we continue at this rate, unemployment will spike and the only people who will have jobs are people in other countries who 'have the exact skills' because they were bred from birth to have them.
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  • karin

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    2010-10-17 17-10-13

    I disagree- there is no comparison between someone who serves fast food as compared to someone who has worked in fine dining. You're saying you've gotten the same caliber of class and professionalism from some pimply faced 18 year old who's singing rap songs between serving you at McDonalds as opposed to a waitor in a high class restaurant? There's a difference level of standards, service, etc. Very poor example. If I place an ad for restaurant servers, it is very easy for me to find someone who has worked in fine dining, so why should I settle for a Burger King worker? That in no way gives me a "fresh perspective". To use a generic example, why should I hire an admin who has no knowledge of Excel formulas which is necessary to complete the job but has computer experience? How does that lack of knowledge bring a "fresh perspective"? If that person is taking up their managers time in teaching them because they can't do an important part of their job, that is a waste of everyone's time. If I can find someone who meets the exact qualifications of the job, I hire them. The only way I'll settle is if I'm having a difficult time filling the position with a qualified candidate. The only way companies go to hire someone from a totally different industry or position is because they want to get someone cheap. Not out of the goodness of their heart. If I have 2 candidates, and candidate A is motivated, professional, a hard worker and has the exact experience I need and candidate B is motivated, professional, a hard worker, but is missing the knowledge on a computer program necessary to complete the job, why should I choose candidate B? Usually I have more than one qualified candidate, so I choose the one whose skills closely relate what I am looking for so we are not wasting as much time training someone.
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    Moyna

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    2010-10-21 13-51-14

    Well you obviously work in a different world than me. I work in a field, a white collar world and supposedly you work in something very different. But even then, here's some thoughts on your comments: - In my example, I am not saying that some 18 year old pimply faced teen can get a job working say at Ruth Chris, but if they go for a job that is somewhat nice, then they can easily get the job. Further, to clear plates, does it really matter that the kid did it at either place? Are you that narrow minded to see that cleaning a table is cleaning a table? Probably not, maybe because you don't eat at fine restaurants. - Given your example of hiring an admin, I am not even talking about admins here. I am talking about people who work say in enterprise software their entire lives - and then want to make the switch into another part of that. A marketing person is a marketing person is a marketing person. If the person understands the fundamentals of writing a white paper, with a little bit of training, that person can write a white paper about ANYTHING especially if they were in a technical field. The more I read your posts, I realize you are not some "HR Manager" you are some personnel drone who pushes paper for a living for people making poor wages. Because of that, I strongly suggest you focus on replying to posts like that and leave the ones, like the one I was talking about to the ones who actually know the real world.
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  • titcomb

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    2010-11-18 4-54-15-

    Let me tell you a little bit about what I do- I work at a five star resort that attracts major fortune 500 companies for their conferences, celebrities, and employs 500+ employees. Sure, we do hire for dishwashers and low level workers, but we also hire for high end professionals that make well over six figures as a base salary before bonuses. Just because your industry is different doesn't make it any better or worse. People who want to switch industries don't make sense to us. Let me give you an example. We're hiring for a Sales Manager (not entry level). Someone applies to us with 20 years experience selling houses. Doesn't do anything for me. When you are dealing with Fortune 500 companies that are having major conferences with thousands of employees, it's nothing like selling a house even though people always say "sales is sales". You have to coordinate room blocks, F&B, plan out the meeting space, deal with pricing, knowing what you can and can't comp, etc. It's not something someone who has no experience could just jump into. I'm sure there are other professionals who work in industries who have similar hiring needs to mine-where they need their employees to have specific experience or it does nothing for them. So I guess you can't generalize ALL businesses based on your "white collar" business. What do you do for a living anyway? I think it's funny that you criticize me saying I'm poor, don't have a professional job, and can't afford fine dining because my hiring needs are different than where you work. That really says a lot about your class, character, and maturity.
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    reasner

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    2011-01-28 15-23-35

    Let me tell you a little about what I do I don't care if you supposedly work at a five star resort or if you manage personnel at a motel 6. The point is exactly the same, you are unqualified and unable to understand what I told you here. The concept of a high end professional in your world and mine is VASTLY different. Your high end professionals come from schools like Cornell who have degrees in Hospitality Management. In my world, I come from high tech where people have degrees in Engineering, Computer Science among others. The fact is that our industries are different. In my example, I referred to people who are in software, say Business Intelligence who want to make a switch to another similiar role in another part of software, say Customer Relationship Management. I am NOT talking about people who are going from Nuclear Engineering to Restaurant Management - though I am sure that anyone who makes that switch probably could do a better job than than the one in that industry. I hate to tell you this, but you are proving my point. What you are talking about to me can easily be done by an educated chimp if they have the right software and a few hours of training. Usually jobs that you mention can also be done by Event Managers and those are in almost EVERY industry -- coordinating room bocks? F&B, meeting space? Honey, this is so easily transferrable that it's almost laughable that you even try to make that comparison. So, yeah long story short, I can compare my world to yours - and I know that an HR Manager in Tech can EASILY do your job. The reason why I used that example is that you use examples of how a person who applies for the job, is great and then somehow is unceremoniously dumped. Then you have the unprofessional GALL to say that you'll never hire this person and laughed on mute. You are the sort of person that gives HR a bad name. Don't impune my character because frankly, even in my darkest day, I can at least tell my family and friends what I do for a living without them either to your face or behind your back that you are pond scum. I have a lot more class than you will ever have and don't you forget it. My issue here is that you are NOT poor, but you don't clearly know how to interface with people -- maybe that is why you picked HR to begin with.
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    rodney

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    2011-02-16 23-30-16

    THIS is why HR people don't you back the OP is angry that they didn't lie to get a job. HR_Mgr offers so reasons why the employer might be looking for a better fit. OP goes apeshit, ranting for several paragraphs to vent the displaced anger over not getting an interview. So why would any HR person give you a reason, when you aren't in a reasonable frame of mind?
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    mciver

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    2011-03-02 5-59-43-

    Nice sockpuppetry HR_Mgr Who would have thought that HR would actually have the people skills to help a person out? Funny that... You'd think there is a department out there which exists for this sort of thing.... Oh I guess not.
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  • millard

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    2011-03-22 11-40-03

    Obviously for all your tech experience you lack reading comprehension skills. You said I was so rude and unprofessional for laughing at that person. Did you actually read the post? Apparently not. The person was rejected because their boss said they were an admin, NOT a restaurant manager. They lied. So you're saying if someone ed you claiming to be working for your competitor, made up this whole resume, but was really a tech at Best Buy that you wouldn't laugh if that person ed you incompetent for not hiring them because they were the most qualified person you would ever find? Please. We've established we work in different industries. Wonderful. Your whole post was completely unrelated to the point-just to put me down, sorry that there's something lacking in your life that you need to put down people in other industries! The point is that some companies need specific experience-my industry is an example. Good that yours doesn't! That's great that there are event planners in every industry, you're so smart! No shit that major companies have event planners. What does the fact that major corporations have event planners have to do with the fact that we do not hire people who have backgrounds in different types of industries? Absolutely nothing. Still doesn't change the fact that I can't hire someone who sells houses to sell meeting space. It's not HARD to learn, but there is a LOT to learn. Don't try to judge something you have no experience or knowledge about. You're wrong, a tech HR manager couldn't easily do my job. Just as I couldn't do a tech HR Manager job. But as with any HR, it's all about learning what to ask. Your tech HR manager knows the "buzz words" to ask in interviews, and understands the company-what everyone does. Please, none of my friends/family laughs behind my back, I get paid 80k before bonuses to do a job that I'll be the first to admit isn't difficult. I own a nice home that I purchased at 26 (im not even 30 yet!), look good because I have time to go to the gym because I only have to work a 40 hour week. Trust me, no one's laughing. But apparently your life is lacking if you feel the need to put others down. I really pity you. But now I have to go home because it's 5pm and I don't stay any later than that. And I'm going home to a gorgeous husband so no need to go home to chat with you. Bye! :)
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    acrey

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    2011-03-24 4-33-53-

    Ignore the ignorant dickbite troll
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    pollak

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    2011-03-24 14-19-46

    Wow HR Troll has a stick up her fat ass The fact remains that you laughed at this person which is unprofessional in ANY context whether or not it is warranted. You have this amazing tendency to make comparisons that don't make sense. The OP of this job was in the industry and tried to get a job that was in HIS industry. He can always get more training or a better job but you wrote him off like yesterday's news. In the real world, we tend to look at people over time - not in isolated incidents... One person one day is your subordinate, next day is your boss. Another day a guy you supposedly fired, can be your boss too. It happens and it happens a LOT. Clearly you don't know my background either. By making swipes at my background you are showing your ignorance. Tech has a LOT more requirements to get in that hospitality... Why is it that people can easily get a job at a hotel as a kitchen staff person and move their way up to becoming an executive? That is usually the exception in tech unless you have an amazing company that actually believes in promoting from within. Not only that, you seem to be fixated on comparing apples to oranges. I am tired of you trying to use parallels which clearly aren't. You debate like another troll on here named Debunkker - he tries to change the argument and then claims hollow victories. You really don't know how to stick on topic - which I have done all along. Believe me here, an HR person is an HR person is an HR person. You push papers, you do insurance stuff and are a liason between management and employees. Your job is NOT to know my buzzwords or how I do my job - that's the realm at BEST for recruiting and honestly you don't know shit about that. If you get involved with that in your job, then you are obviously in a poorly managed industry. Oh wow... $80K a year... that much? And yet you pile it on by saying you bought a home at 26 -- whoopie - if I lived in a rural area like you do, I could have bought a house at 24, but I live in one of the tightest real estate markets on the planet. Go ahead run away... We know you have those tv dinners waiting and your cats... Tired of you lying time and time again... Tool!
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    kinchen

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    2011-04-05 12-55-28

    NO, you will get busted later anyway
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    panella

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    2011-04-30 13-17-38

    95% is not perfect. If you aren't perfect don't bother applying or even living. Sorry, good luck.
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    derman

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    2011-05-03 0-34-51-

    it depends- Could you have possibly learned this program to the degree which the job required prior to being offered a position? If so, then yes you should have lied. No point in lying though if you couldn't learn the program in time-if you asked asinine questions about it they would catch your lie and probably terminate you. You may still be in the running for the position. If they find someone with a similar background to yours that also has XYZ experience, they'll go for him or her. If you are the strongest candidate even though you might not know XYZ, then you'll get the job.
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    Piero

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    2011-09-07 15-32-08

    You are such a tard!
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  • Anjanette

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    2011-09-24 8-18-32-

    You should have told her what she wanted to hear
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    lino

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    2011-09-25 7-05-24-

    No, if you lied you would get what you deserved That was just an augury of things to come if you had gotten a job there. Would you really want to work for a company where you have to lie just to get a job?
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