93.5% of the populaton are employed

People here ARE carrying on today,

^^^^^is one of the ones that is on

yea! and to hell with the other 6.5%

Once again, it doesn't matter if the UE rate is if you are unemployed, it affects you personally. Why don't you morons see that? Oh yea, because you are a bunch of narcissistic idiots.

Thank you, captain obvious. I don't think that anyone here knows that being unemployed SUCKS (although I definitely have days that I'd like to be unemployed). We've all been there or all will be there at some point in our lives. The problem is that people use it as an excuse and blame the "high unemployment" as the reason they're out of work. It's one thing if someone comes on here for advice on how to improve their situation. It's another if someone just comes on here with a negative attitude and doesn't want to take responsiblity for their own destiny. As heartless HR_Mgr would say, if you want some pity, your mother.

*err anyone on here wouldn't deny. Mondays suck.

I don't think you understand what is being Many of the people on here are upset about being unemployed. They are also upset about the fact that 1) the numbers are skewed and 2) that employers seem to be using it as a crutch to justify not hiring people unless they absolutely need people. It's sort of a negative feedback loop. You hear bad news, so of course you are going to respond negatively which creates more bad news... Rarely do you ever see a company who lets large numbers of people go where you see its competition go "Oh this is a great hiring opportunity!" - it's more like "Holy s**t! This is the sign of bad things to come! Better be cautious." The problem here is that you have tards like you and smarten_up who gripe about how you are stuck in meetings and how people are so stupid and the like - people don't need to hear about how miserable your lives are. In comparison to the unemployed, you are living a dream. I know people who would kill to be in meetings or have so much to do that they can't do it all. Last, this forum is designed for people to air their grievances. If you haven't figured that out by now, then you obviously are in the wrong place.

The point of the forum is: hiring practices, job market trends, recruiters, career development, resumes, interviewing tips, you get the idea. Nowhere does it say that only the unemployed can complain about being unemployed. Some people want to make this forum what they want it to be, but they are sorely mistakened. You're right, all you hear is gloom and doom in the media and how terrible things are, but in actuality it isnt THAT bad. Sure, it's not puppies and butterflies, but if you believe everything in the media then yes you will be negative. That doesn't really help the unemployed better their situation at all.

You're a mistakened (sic) idealist. People do gripe here, but your experience isn't any more "right" than anybody else's.

Have you ever stopped to think that people with some respect and tried to get that out of them that you'd get to that point? Unless this has turned into the HR_Mgr forum, it's hardly your place to tell others how to behave on here. This is why you get vilified. Very simple.

No, what you mostly do is defend yourself from

Click on my handle that's really not the truth.

Handle history supports my statement. to check before I posted that?

Sorry, didnt go to college to be an English teacher. Thank god for spell check on email. :) I also make more than double of what an English teacher makes. :)

Sadly. You should be required to split your They don't make enough.

Shouldn't we all though?

Oh, teachers don't do so bad Paid summers off is a huge perk. I have a friend who makes $45k as her base right out of college. Between helping out clubs, summer schools, etc. she was able to raise her salary $20k a year. It's really not a bad living. Once you have tenure your base is very liveable. (I think that's how it's spelled-spell check committee?)

So, she's essentially working 4-6 jobs to make what her real salary is? On top of that, teachers do at least 10 hours of work a day, and don't even start with me about their three months off, because where I come from, that means three months' worth of no pay or getting a job in retail/flipping burgers. Not kidding. And, I'm sorry, but your friend's story is one out of a million. Most teachers out there are overworked and underpaid. Especially where I come from, which has one of the worst educational systems in the country. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, remember? I definitely grew up in a "weakest link" area. God our system needs an overhaul so bad, so people like you start making what you deserve (like, say, 25K), and people like teachers make more like 60 or 80K, like they deserve (pending good performance, of course).

$40k to start, gain tenure make up to $60-$70k with tenure and possible summer school is an excellent wage for a teacher.

Wrong, she said her friend had to take on also known as "other jobs" to make that starting. In Bunky's words, that teacher's experience is anecdotal and irrelevant.

No, you didnt read my post. I said her BASE was 45k and she was earning 20k EXTRA on side projects such as summer school and coaching.

And where is this? If it is a state that is not list for the country as far as ranking educational systems goes, I'll eat my hat.

Go to bls.gov The average teacher makes between 43k-48k. The BLS also adds that it's a growing profession and there's opportunities to make extra money through coaching, summer school, etc which can be very lucrative. If you google search "teachers", you'll find many articles supporting the average teacher works about 36.5 hours a week with summers off. Not a bad profession in my opinion. Yes, the teacher just starting out creating lesson plans and such puts in serious hours, but once you have that established the hours really aren't that crazy for the seasoned teacher.

Depends on where you live. I think it should be a fair middle class wage. In some places that may be 60k. Some places that may be 20k. We all live in very different areas that warrant very different salaries.

In my town, teachers start at less than 15K I know, we're awesome, huh? < / sarcasm>

Well yeah someone starting out will be making 25k when they're starting. Tenured teachers really aren't doing that bad. They ARE making in that salary band you state depending on what additional duties they have. 10 hours a day of work is reasonable. Most salaried professionals put that type of work in. We have managers here who regularly put in 70 hours a week-now that's overworked. I think most of my managers here would KILL to work 50-60 hours a week from September-June and get their summers off. Also, during those summer breaks you're getting income. I don't know why you assumed teachers didn't get any income for those months. I wont argue for a minute that in some areas like you speak of, teachers really get hosed. I wouldn't say that's the bulk of teachers. The worse the school district and the worse the students, the better the pay. My brother in law just took a teaching gig starting at 55k with only two years experience in an "average" town (average defined as you can buy a home at the national average of 200k).

Talking starting, teachers should make way more The reason why we have shortages of teachers, especially in fields like math and science, is because they can make so much more money going out and doing research or doing anything else but teaching. The 10-hour-day was an at least thing. I know several teachers who regularly put in many more hours than that. Also, at least five of them get contracts from the school literally stating, "We will pay you nine months out of the year. What you do the other three months for income is up to you." I know I've seen teachers (other than those five) working at Wal-mart and Target during the summer months. These are teachers who have been teaching for over 10 years. One was working three jobs to make ends meet, at one point. My point is, teachers have the really short end of the stick compared to many others. You can't really deny that.

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