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norvil

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2010-09-21 16-18-10

Whoah! the HA asked me to back off After considering yesterday's advice to my post interview analysis, here's what I did. First off, last night I decided to and leave a voice mail after hours. But to my great surprise, the HA answered his office phone at 11:30pm! I gave my name and he said who is this? I guess he forgot who I was (remember I spoke to him a week prior and he accepted my resume, forwarded it to HR). I then panicked, thinking the had been routed to his home phone number (God forbid it was and I was waking him up!), and so I told him, sorry I think I dialed the wrong number, and hung up. But I still wanted to thank him. After yesterday's incident, I decided email was the better option. I sent him a quick note just thanking him for sending my resume on to HR and for the opportunity to interview with them. It was short, no more than 5 lines. Except, oops! when I used spell checker, one word was changed to the incorrect one and I forgot to proofread before hitting send. A few minutes later, I emailed him again, saying: I apologize for emailing you again, but I just realized a minor typo in my last message and have corrected it in the paragraph below.... .. Then to my great surprise, he replied right away: --While I appreciate your tenacity and aggressiveness, it is getting a little out of hand. Please stop emailing me from here on forward. We are reviewing the interview summary and your resume and we will be in touch when we have made a decision. Thank you for your understanding. .... Holy cow! Apparently I ruffled a few feathers. I dunno if it's last night's botched that set it off or if he is dead set on following "procedure" , that he and HR will follow up on the hiring process going forward, but man, that stunned me. FYI, the HR manager scored the state's high score on an HR standards exam and the vibe I got from the interview is that she is very "by the book".
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2010-10-11 6-55-58-

p.s. I also emailed a quick thank you to HR
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2010-10-18 7-07-16-

Let me ask you something honestly def lep....you have some sort of thing like mania, or BPD or something, right? I'm not asking to be nasty, just to get a better handle on what's happening with you. All your posts come across as manic. All the issues you discuss regarding work come across as a bit....manic or crazy or what have you. You need to talk to a therapist about managing your outward behaviour - the HA was good enough to tell you when enough was enough, so you need to wind it back 25-50% from there - not so many will be kind enough to let you know. Let's assume the damage is not terminal, and SIT TIGHT. Clearly, don't contact them again - the ball is in their court. Any further contact initiated by you is going to cruel your chances with them.... Just breathe.
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carlino

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2010-10-18 8-51-48-

Good advice, but falling on "def" ears.
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  • petralia

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    2010-10-20 23-05-02

    In all seriousness, the true solution may be:
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    roswitha

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    2011-02-16 1-04-35-

    Tard. Why would you at 11:30 at night? And you claim you can't work an early shift because of IBS. Lay off the crack/meth Def Lep.
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  • fulcher

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    2011-03-24 13-48-27

    Hanging up in a panic was a nice touch especially since the Caller ID would have shown who it was.
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    austine

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    2011-05-09 9-23-28-

    Yea, as well as saying your name and then emailing the next morning, as if to remind the guy that you were stalking him the night before.
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  • fulcher

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    2011-05-11 1-27-36-

    I blocked my number before ing and truly thought I'd reach voice mail, not a live voice at that hour. But yes, giving my name, the fact he worked late last night, was likely tired/stressed today, the seeing my email, likely triggered his reaction. Not my finest hour, that's for sure.
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  • Greg

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    2011-06-10 12-29-50

    Working late/tired/stressed did not trigger that response - you did. I hope you now know to back off. And, perhaps the advice you received from the the "know-all" HR people you have been listening to, isn't the best advice. Something to think about.
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    bosma

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    2011-07-08 23-47-13

    I was actually thinking of ing him tomorrow to apologize for Mon night's situation. He asked me to refrain from email but did not specify no phone s.
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    ranz

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    2011-07-22 23-27-53

    OMG!!! You really, honestly have no clue do you? Geez...I was going to write more but when I thought about it realized it would do absolutly no good!
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  • adinolfi

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    2011-08-01 12-02-08

    T, I Might Have To Agree w/You On This One! "DON'T DO IT, YIPPEE!!!"
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    galven

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    2011-08-27 12-35-49

    He knows better, this is for entertainment.
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    lawrence

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    2011-09-06 4-58-51-

    yup. and TurtleLvr fell hook, line and sinker
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  • leeb

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    2011-09-26 15-59-21

    Don't be an idiot to put it mildly. He also didn't mention anything about billboards or sandwich boards or singing telegrams... But I'm sure he doesn't want you to do those either... LEAVE HIM ALONE. Talk to a therapist, and stop blaming employers et al for your issues, you are sabotaging YOURSELF.
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    Bevyn

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    2011-09-27 1-36-07-

    Def Lep?
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    derman

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    2011-09-27 11-37-32

    Lousy Logic. I Did Not Suggest Yippee Over Do It You are being catty. Yippee over played his hand, that's all. His procedures are not the problem. And until he over did it, he was on just the track he was supposed to be. Now, if he gets ed in for an interview, you may have to eat that kitty chow for lunch. P.S. How many interviews have YOU had lately? Next time, don't be so gutless- just say my name instead of that bs "HR people" sambo. Paul
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    gubser

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    2011-09-28 9-17-10-

    Good God Do you always think this is about you? Honestly - there were a number of HR types that responded. Get over yourself. Oh yeah, and don't forget to see how many times I post here so you can place value on my posting...that seems to be the way you operate on this board.
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  • luhring

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    2011-09-30 10-07-52

    Gee I didn't know you knew what all the handles do for a living - how do you know that I am not in HR - or TurtleLvr or the_catch22? But, since your feeble little ego needs stroking - take it that it was directed at you. You gave poor advice - it probably cost yippe-ki-yay an interview. Your advice sucks - and to quote you - Plain and simple.
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    golay

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    2011-10-02 3-14-05-

    LOL! Roight! Can you say, "Meow!"? I bet you can.
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  • nelda

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    2011-10-12 1-47-36-

    For the record, HHP has coached me in many ways as have other key members here, but he did not suggest I follow up with the HA as I did. I take responsibility for dropping the ball there, so please don't pin it on him. Also, before I became a student of the HHP Principles of Success, I wasn't getting many backs. But after applying much of his coaching and resume improvement tips, I began seeing results, i.e. s, interview invitations, etc. , putting me legions ahead of other job applicants. And remember, I don't have the best background or best degree either, but I do have drive and persistence. Sure, I mess up here and there and probably screwed up this opportunity, but there are many fish in the sea. I stand behind HHP 100% that his Methodology, along with Tony Beshara's, are top notch. After all, if those guys can successfully run their own executive search firms for 30+ years, placing as Paul said, executives who makes $80K+/yr, what do you think happens when "commoners" like the rest of us, apply some of his proven techniques? Success, that's what.
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    2011-10-12 17-25-46

    LOL! Good One, K..
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    straughn

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    2011-10-12 19-55-21

    My sage old grandmother used to say, "Before you seal it, sleep on it." That means, before sending an important communication, one which is important in your life, walk away from it and come back to it at a later time with a fresh mind. You could have waited an extra day to make that phone , and you might have been in a better frame of mind for it. You might have composed your e-mail in draft, and then come back to it the next morning to make sure it's what you want to say. There are very few life incidents which really require so much urgency that tackling them immediately as opposed to later is really necessary.
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  • banas

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    2011-10-14 17-37-23

    Good advice! Especially in relationships, too.
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    kuntze

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    2011-10-16 2-05-29-

    Outstanding tactical advice...
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    sasso

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    2011-10-16 17-06-59

    Ack! And Double Ack! You ought not have wimped out when you got him, you just had to push the '0' key and then hang up. Also, he is an EXECUTIVE. You ought to have anticipated he might be there. You only had to say you also are working late and wanted to leave a thanks note as your last task of the evening. You need more practice. Otherwise, there is nothing wrong with what you did; all headhunters starting out make similar mistakes. That you got chewed out is also part of what can happen with even us so don't let it worry you. If you lose this one, just learn for next time. You are fine and as Kamloopsian is suggesting, you might want to smooth out your energy a little so you are more paced. If that even applies. This is a learning curve. We make these kinds of s all day so we make many more mistakes in one day, as beginners, than you are making so far. Just keep your head when you do this stuff and remember to be flexible and ready.
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  • orser

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    2011-10-16 23-08-06

    My advice: Wait outside the office, act casual. When he gets off work (you may be there for hours apparently) you go right into your spiel about your qualifications for the job. That ought to win him over.
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  • Sultan

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    2011-10-17 9-47-51-

    Yep I would say you ruffled a few feathers! And frankly I don't blame the HA for telling you to back off. He was quite a bit nicer about it than I would have been. There is a huge difference between assertive and aggressive behavior. What you have posted in the last few days or so has been aggressive behavior. You need to, as Kamloopsian suggested, sit down and take a deep breath. Many of them in fact! Calling at that hour was bad. Even just to leave a voice mail - they know what time the came in and frankly it wouldn't have looked good at that time of night either way. and frankly it doesn't mean a thing that the HR mgr scored highest in the state test. That is book stuff. Doesn't mean he or she knows anything. Sure it shows that you know how to research things but I would be very, very, very careful in how you use that information. And again just cuz she passed with flying colors doesn't mean she really knows how to deal with people - though one woudl hope she would being in that position. You need to listen to Kamloopsian and MizBozMaam as they have both given you some damn good advice. My suggestion is that you move on quietly and keep looking for other work. Taking in all the advise others have given you. Might want to print out "My Sage Old Grandmother" as that is something I think you can truly use.
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